The receptionist heard it through the wall and didn’t know what to do with her hands. Her name was Patricia Hollis. She was 22 years old. She had been working the front desk at WKBR Radio in Cleveland, Ohio for 7 months. And in those 7 months, she had developed a reliable system for handling the various situations that a radio station’s front desk produced.
Guests who arrived early, guests who arrived angry, guests who wanted coffee, and guests who wanted something stronger, and guests who wanted to tell her, in considerable detail, why their segment had been scheduled at the wrong time. She had a system. The system worked. The system did not account for the situation she was currently in.
The situation was this: There was a man sitting in the waiting area outside the on-air studio who had arrived 12 minutes ago with an appointment confirmation in his hand and a guitar case at his feet. He had given her his name, and she had called back to the producer, and the producer had said to seat him, and someone would be with him shortly.
He had sat down. He had not complained about the wait. He had not asked for coffee. He had placed the guitar case beside the chair with care, and he had sat with his hands on his knees in the particular stillness of a person who has been waiting in various kinds of rooms for his entire professional life and has long since made peace with the waiting.
He was, by any measure, a composed and patient man. And through the wall, loud enough to hear clearly through the glass partition that separated the waiting area from the corridor that led to the on-air studio, the voice of WKBR’s afternoon drive host was saying that Chuck Berry was finished. Not delicately, not with the professional hedging that public figures sometimes deploy when they want to deliver a verdict while preserving the appearance of fairness.
Directly. The way that radio hosts speak when they are trying to generate a reaction and have decided that provocation is more interesting than accuracy. The host’s name was Roger Daniels. He was 34 years old and he had been doing afternoon drive at WKBW for 3 years and he was by the standards of Cleveland radio in 1965 successful.
He had a specific persona. The man who said what everyone was thinking. The truth-teller who didn’t have patience for nostalgia or sentiment. The voice of the present tense against the accumulated weight of the recent past. It was a persona that played well in a market that was watching the music change in real time and that had in the previous 18 months watched the British invasion arrive and reorder everything that had seemed settled about American popular music.
Roger Daniels had an opinion about Chuck Berry and the opinion was that Chuck Berry was 1956 and this was 1965 and the distance between those two years was greater than it appeared on a calendar. He was saying this opinion out loud on the air. He was saying, “Look, I respect what Chuck Berry did.
Nobody’s taking that away from him. Maybellene, Johnny B. Goode, those records meant something. They meant something in 1955. In 1965, the Beatles are rewriting everything. The Stones are rewriting everything and Chuck Berry is playing state fairs. I’m not being cruel. I’m being honest. His moment was his moment. That moment is over.
” He said, “Some artists know when to step aside. Some artists don’t. Chuck Berry is in the second category. That’s not a tragedy. That’s just the music business. Patricia Hollis at the front desk looked at the man in the waiting area. Chuck Berry was looking at the wall, not at her, not at the door, at the wall with the same composed unhurried expression he had been wearing since he sat down.
His hands were still on his knees. His guitar case was still beside the chair. If he could hear what was coming through the wall, and it was reasonable to assume that he could because it was coming through the wall quite clearly, nothing in his face or his posture indicated any particular response to the information. Patricia considered her options.
She could turn up the music she had playing at the front desk, which was how the station filled the waiting area with sound that wasn’t the actual broadcast. She could pretend she hadn’t noticed. She could call back to the producer and say something had come up, which was not technically a lie because something had clearly come up.
It was just that the something was unusual enough that she wasn’t sure what the appropriate protocol was. She was still considering when the on-air segment moved on to something else, and Roger Daniels began playing a record by a British group that had been in heavy rotation for several weeks. Chuck Berry looked away from the wall.
He looked at Patricia. She met his eyes across the waiting area. She had the expression of a person who has been caught in a situation they did not create and is very aware of how the situation appears. Chuck said, “Don’t worry about it.” His voice was even, not performing evenness, actually even in the way that some people’s voices are even because they have been through enough that the things which unsettle most people have been absorbed and processed and filed in the specific way that long experience files things correctly
in their actual place rather than the inflated place that fear assigns them. Patricia said, “Mr. Berry, I” Chuck said, “It’s fine. These things happen.” She said, “I can let the producer know that you’re” He said, “I’m sure they’ll come get me when they’re ready. I’m not in a hurry.” He looked back toward the door to the corridor, which was closed, with the detached patience of a man in a waiting room who has decided that the waiting room is simply where he is right now and that this fact does not require further
commentary. Patricia did the thing that people at front desks do when they are not sure what else to do, which was to look at her notepad and write something on it that she would not look at again. What she did not know, and what would become part of the story when it was eventually told, was that Chuck Berry had heard Roger Daniels on the radio before he arrived at the station.
He had been driving to the appointment and the radio had been on, and WKBR had been the station he was tuned to because it was the station where his appointment was, and he had thought it made sense to have a sense of what he was walking into. He had heard Roger Daniels say what Roger Daniels had said, and he had found a parking spot, and he had taken the guitar case out of the back, and he had walked into the building.
He had not turned around. He had not called the producer to ask whether the appointment was still on. He had not done what a person who had just heard themselves declared finished on the radio in the city where they were about to give a radio interview might reasonably have been expected to do, which was to have some kind of reaction.
He had parked the car and walked into the building. The producer’s name was Sandra Mack. She was 28 years old, and she had been producing afternoon content at WKB R for 2 years. And she was, at this specific moment, in the hallway between the on-air studio and the waiting area, aware that she had a problem. The problem had several components.
The first component was that Roger Daniels had just spent 4 minutes delivering a verdict on a musician who was currently sitting in the station’s waiting area. The second component was that the musician had been booked for a segment that was supposed to air in approximately 35 minutes. The third component was that nobody had anticipated the first component occurring at the same time as the second component, because the booking and the editorial content were managed by different people, and the communication between them had been, as communication
between departments often is, imperfect. She saw Chuck Berry sitting in the chair with his guitar case beside him, looking at nothing in particular with a composed expression of a man who had decided on a response to his situation, and whose response was to simply be present in it without drama. She said, “Mr. Berry, I’m Sandra Mack.
I’m producing the segment today.” “I want to” he said, “It’s all right.” She said, “I need to apologize on behalf of” He said, “There’s nothing to apologize for. A man said what he thought. That’s what radio is for.” Sandra said, “The segment we had planned” He said, “I’m still here if you still want to do the segment.
” She said, “Of course we want to do the segment. I just want to make sure that you’re that this is” He looked at her with the patient, slightly amused expression of someone watching another person work very hard to say something that the situation has already made clear. He said, “Ms. Mack, I have been in this business since 1955.
People have said I was finished before. They’ll say it again. I don’t make decisions about my schedule based on what other people say about my schedule. He said, “If you’re ready, I’m ready.” Sandra stood there for a moment. Then she said she’d let him know when they were 5 minutes out, and she went back down the corridor.
What happened in the on-air studio when Chuck Berry walked in 30 minutes later was documented by Patricia Hollis in the journal she kept during those years, a practice she had started in college and maintained through her early working life because she had a sense, developed through reading and through the particular quality of attention she brought to the world, that things happened that were worth writing down before they became only memory.
She wrote, “He walked in and Roger Daniels stood up to shake his hand, and Roger looked uncomfortable in the way that people look when they have said something and then have to face the person they said it about. Chuck shook his hand. He didn’t make anything of it. He sat down across from Roger, and he put the guitar on his knee, and he waited for the segment to start.
She wrote, “And then something happened that I have been thinking about for a long time since. Roger asked him his first question, which was the standard question about what Chuck was working on and where he was performing. And Chuck answered it the same way he probably answered it at every interview, straightforwardly, without embellishment, naming the venues and the dates and the record he had been working on.
And then Roger asked him what he thought about the current state of rock and roll, which was the kind of question that was really asking what he thought about being replaced by the British Invasion. And Chuck said something that made Roger go quiet. Chuck said, “The music I make is not in competition with the music other people make. I make what I make.
It either reaches people or it doesn’t. What The Beatles are doing doesn’t change what I’m doing. What I’m doing doesn’t change what they’re doing. There’s enough room in music for everyone who’s actually doing something with it.” Roger said, “But surely you feel some pressure, too.” Chuck said, “To what? To be something I’m not? I don’t feel that pressure.
I’ve been making music for 10 years and I’ll make music for another 10. And the people who want to hear it will hear it. The people who’ve decided they don’t need it won’t hear it. That’s how it always works.” Roger said, “Some people would say your time has passed.” Chuck said, “Some people would say that about anyone whose time they haven’t personally arrived to yet.
” There was a pause. Roger said, “Can you explain what you mean by that?” Chuck said, “Music isn’t a race with a finish line. You don’t win it and then it’s over. It’s more like a river. The river was here before you got to it and it’ll be here after you leave. Some people stand at the bank and say the river looks different than it used to and call that an ending.
But the river doesn’t care what you call it. It just keeps going.” Roger said, “That’s a very philosophical answer.” Chuck said, “It’s the only honest answer.” There was another pause. Roger was quiet in the way that people are quiet when the conversation has moved to a place they did not expect it to move to and they are recalibrating.
He said, “Would you play something?” Chuck said, “That’s why I brought the guitar.” Patricia wrote, and he played. Right there in the on-air studio, without a microphone setup, just the guitar and the room and four people listening. He played Maybellene and he played it the way he played everything, like it was the first time and the only time simultaneously.
Like the song was still finding its shape and he was the one finding it. Roger Daniels sat across from him and by the middle of the second verse, he had the expression that I had seen on people’s faces when they hear something they didn’t expect to hear. Not just enjoyment. Recognition. The expression of someone remembering something they had forgotten was there.
When he finished, the studio was quiet. Roger said, “That doesn’t sound like a man whose time has passed.” Chuck said, “It doesn’t sound like anything except the song.” The segment ran for 22 minutes. Patricia listened to it from the front desk where the broadcast came through the monitor that kept the waiting area informed of what was on air.
When it ended, she wrote in her journal, “I don’t know what I expected to happen when he walked in. I think I expected it to be awkward or difficult or for there to be some kind of confrontation that I would have to manage from the front desk. What happened instead was that a man who had been told he was finished walked into the room where it had been said and played the song that had started everything and let the song say what needed to be said.
” She wrote, “He didn’t argue with Roger. He didn’t make Roger feel bad about what he had said. He didn’t perform the dignity of someone who has been wronged and is refusing to show it. He just played.” She wrote, “And the playing was the answer. Not to Roger’s specific argument, not to the question of whether Chuck Berry’s time had passed or hadn’t.
The playing was the answer to the larger question underneath those questions, which is the question of whether a person is still fully themselves. And the answer to that question was obvious in about 30 seconds of music.” She wrote, “Yes, he was still fully himself.” Chuck Berry collected his guitar case after the segment.
He said goodbye to Sandra Mack. He shook Roger Daniels’ hand again. He nodded to Patricia as he passed the front desk. She said, “Thank you for coming in, Mr. Berry.” He said, “Thank you for the wait.” She said, “I’m sorry about” He said, “I know. It’s all right.” He walked out through the glass door and across the parking lot to his car.
She watched him through the window, put the guitar case in the back with the same care he had taken with it when he arrived. He got in the car. He drove away. Roger Daniels did not revisit his comments on air. He was not the kind of radio host who revisited things. He moved on to the next segment and the next record and the next thing he had an opinion about, which is what radio hosts do and what they are paid to do and what makes the medium what it is.
But he played Johnny B. Goode the following day in the 11:00 hour without introducing it in any particular way. He just played it. And Patricia at the front desk heard it come through the monitor and wrote one line in her journal that evening. She wrote, “He played the song.” Chuck Berry released two albums in the following 3 years. He continued to tour.
He continued to play the songs the way they needed to be played with a complete presence that the music required in rooms of various sizes for audiences who came because the music was still the music, still reaching the people it was built to reach, still carrying the thing it had always carried. His career did not end in 1965.
The people who had been certain it was ending found other careers to declare finished in the years that followed. That is also how the music business works. The guitar case is somewhere, worn at the corners in the way that things wear when they have been carried a very long distance over a very long time. The song is still going.
The river doesn’t care what you call it. It just keeps moving. Patricia Hollis kept the journal for another 12 years after that afternoon. She left W K B R in 1968, moved to Cincinnati, built a life that had nothing and everything to do with that waiting room in Cleveland. She married. She had children. She worked in hospital administration for 23 years and retired in 1998 and moved back to Cleveland because Cleveland was where she was from and because at a certain age the place you are from asserts itself with a gravity that is hard to
argue with. She never met Chuck Berry again. The signal goes where it goes. It always finds its way home.
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